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Re: Bengals Related News & Notes

Post by MeatHeadbengal » Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:29 pm

stripesincarolina wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:15 pm
I hear you Exile and Meat, but how does a team like the Patriots have a top notch Oline consistently for over a decade?? They have rotated personnel, they have changed OCs and seem to be able to protect the QB for hours. It just seems to me we are always underprepared and lacking talent in the face a wave of high draft picks and FA opportunities. On the other hand the Patriots have taken a group of journeymen and made them look like monsters. So frustrating.
A lot of that is great coaching and culture. Coaching as in ability to find and recognize where to place ppl. Culture as in to do the extra off the field and behind the scenes to be prepared when the situation arises.

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Post by Bengals1 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:41 pm

The college game has started to move at such a rapid pace that it can barely resemble the sport played in the NFL. In January’s national championship game, for example, Clemson beat Alabama by running a whopping 99 plays from scrimmage; in last week’s thrilling 41-38 victory against the Texans, the Seahawks ran just 64. This trend has stunted the progression of linemen from a technical standpoint—guys in spread offenses constantly line up in a two-point stance, almost regardless of the situation—and, more crucially, it’s eliminated the complexity that’s long been inherent to line play. By operating at such a ridiculously fast clip, college offenses have negated the importance of the blockers up front making specific identifications and picking up intricate blitzes, which are skills that continue to be vital in the pros.

“If you’re running a spread offense in the college game, almost nothing translates to the NFL,” former NFL offensive linemen and current SiriusXM and SB Nation analyst Geoff Schwartz says. “You’re running at such a high tempo that teams aren’t going to twist and blitz because you’re moving so fast. Defenders are so tired.”
This might explain why Price was all-world at OSU and is about to be put out on the street in the NFL.... 8-)
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Post by Bengals1 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:00 pm

Another factor you're all overlooking in this is Organizational ineptitude.

How many years did we go without a decent pass-catching TE...? Like 15 or more? Every off-season for years we'd come on here and talk about how this year we're finally going to draft a pass-catching TE and what would happen...? We'd pass them up year after year after year.

And when we would draft one it was seemingly always in the mid-rounds when the really good ones were already taken. When we finally did spend a high draft choice on one, we got Graham and Alwayshurt.

Graham was good for one spectacular catch in the first quarter and then he'd disappear until it was 4th and 6 in the last two minutes and he'd let a Dalton pass bounce off his shoulder pads and any chance we had for a game tying/winning Field Goal was gone like JoeB's hair. :x

Eifert was great.....for the 15 minutes he played uninjured. :roll:

How long have we looked for someone to play besides Atkins and take some of the double-teams off of him? Again, like 10 years now?

We drafted Devon Still and even when his mind was on the game he was just alright...maybe. We drafted Brandon Thompson and he too did nothing. Hardison out of ASU and Billings out of Baylor, Glasscow out of UM. Does anybody even remember Wren and Andrew Brown..? I thought not.

Don't get me started on DE or LB. Those two positions have been sore spots for years. The team simply throws more spaghetti against the wall year after year and hopes against hope somebody can play one of these positions!

And now we're seeing the same ineptitude regarding rebuilding the O-line. We drafted Oogie-Boogie and Jake "Oh my heart!" Fisher and those two mistakes set us back half a decade already. Does anyone here really have faith this organization can right this ship!?!
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Re: Bengals Related News & Notes

Post by MeatHeadbengal » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:30 pm

Exile wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:16 pm

The college game has started to move at such a rapid pace that it can barely resemble the sport played in the NFL. In January’s national championship game, for example, Clemson beat Alabama by running a whopping 99 plays from scrimmage; in last week’s thrilling 41-38 victory against the Texans, the Seahawks ran just 64. This trend has stunted the progression of linemen from a technical standpoint—guys in spread offenses constantly line up in a two-point stance, almost regardless of the situation—and, more crucially, it’s eliminated the complexity that’s long been inherent to line play. By operating at such a ridiculously fast clip, college offenses have negated the importance of the blockers up front making specific identifications and picking up intricate blitzes, which are skills that continue to be vital in the pros.

“If you’re running a spread offense in the college game, almost nothing translates to the NFL,” former NFL offensive linemen and current SiriusXM and SB Nation analyst Geoff Schwartz says. “You’re running at such a high tempo that teams aren’t going to twist and blitz because you’re moving so fast. Defenders are so tired.”
First, I think it corrects what I was saying, not so much about 2-point stance vs. 3-point stance but the linemen not having to make the same reads. By the way, that seems to be one of the things that made 5-wide sets more effective for Burrow, right? That it simplified things for the linemen?

But second, I was wondering if it might be that more up-tempo offense, whether it's a spread offense or not, might be encouraging bad habits and ingraining them into players.
Well to break some of this down yes having the style of up tempo offense those concepts don't translate to the NFL, but the basics of blocking technique the feet, hands, hips are all the same. I would also question his quote and make sure it's not out of context because with the up temp offense the defenses don't have time to get into the DE/DT, DT/DE twists. It's really hard to get those guys on the same page, they are trained dogs basically, see ball get ball kind of thing.

The basics of blocking which honestly are being taught now at every college now are translated into the NFL. Blocking isn't really rocket science it's about quickness of feet, hands, and power in hips. Scheme's really aren't that complicated either, however being able to get your body in the positions they need to be to see and recognize things are where the troubles lay. It really comes down to having time with those guys next to you and making sure everyone is getting the reps they need. Making sure you know how deep you have to set to make sure you aren't getting picked off by a twist, or being deep enough to see it coming and able to move punch and pass it off.

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Re: Bengals Related News & Notes

Post by Bengals1 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:31 pm

I couldn't have written a better tweet myself.... 8-)

Ryan (@RoyleRedlegs)
In order to fill the gaps left by Zeitler and Whitworth, the Bengals have now spent 3 first round picks, 2 free agents deals (for them a lot), a 2nd round pick and a ridiculous deal to Hart. Imagine they didn't luck out with Hopkins...
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Re: Bengals Related News & Notes

Post by TheBurn » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:02 pm

:oops: ouch!

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Re: Bengals Related News & Notes

Post by TheBurn » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:43 pm

Adam Schefter ☑️ @AdamSchefter

Former NFL All-Pro DT Damon “Snacks” Harrison, who openly contemplated retirement last year, has decided to play this season and is scheduled to visit next week with the Seahawks, per source. The 31-year-old Harrison also has received interest from the Bears, Packers and Bengals.

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Re: Bengals Related News & Notes

Post by Bengals1 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:17 pm

How can you go wrong with a guy named "Snacks"...? :)
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Re: Bengals Related News & Notes

Post by stripesincarolina » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:14 pm

Seriously though, are we ever going to really know whats up with Atkins or is this going to be another day to day scenario until he suddenly retires around week 6?? For a line that was quite deep back in May, we sure found a way to screw this up.

For this week, now Christian Covington is on the injury report with a biceps issue. Ugh!

Somewhat good news I suppose, it looks like Shawn Williams will see his debut this week.
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Re: Bengals Related News & Notes

Post by Bengals1 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:39 pm

Paul Dehner Jr. @pauldehnerjr
Jessie Bates is latest player to reference what was said after the #Bengals game in Cleveland. By all accounts, sounds pretty volatile for Week 2.
"We’re gonna see who can respond and who can be the solution to this.” Feels like quite the crossroads in Philly.
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