Staffer or not Harblow is 100% responsible for them as a whole. I have a very hard time believing he didn't know. The timeline is just too perfect on how he started to have success.Bengals1 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:18 amMichigan staffer eyed as center of 'elaborate' scouting scheme, sources say...
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UM under investigation for sign stealing.
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Re: UM under investigation for sign stealing.
Re: UM under investigation for sign stealing.
Both OC Matt Wiess and DC Jesse Minter have to know the "sign stealing operation" is going on and unless Harblow is a total idiot he knows too. Now Harblow might not have any direct involvement in the "in person advance scouting" but he would have to be an imbecile to not suspect something illegal is going on. The NCAA has to have something on them, I just hope it is proverbial "smoking gun".
It honestly doesn't matter if it can be proven "he knew" ultimately it is his duty to know, and he is held accountable for any actions that take place within the program.
It honestly doesn't matter if it can be proven "he knew" ultimately it is his duty to know, and he is held accountable for any actions that take place within the program.
Re: UM under investigation for sign stealing.
Per ESPN...
Connor Stalions, the suspended Michigan staffer at the center of the NCAA's sign-stealing probe, purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games over the past three years at 11 different Big Ten schools, sources at 11 different league schools told ESPN.
The scope of the University of Michigan's alleged sign-stealing operation includes both video evidence of electronics prohibited by the NCAA to steal signs and a significant paper trail, sources told ESPN. Stalions forwarded the tickets he bought to at least three different people in different areas of the country, sources say, which hints at the breadth of the operation.
The NCAA is expected to receive video evidence this week of illegal technology used in scouting tied to tickets purchased by Stalions, according to sources. An opposing Big Ten school looked up in-stadium surveillance video from a game earlier this year, and sources said the person in the seat of the ticket purchased by Stalions held his smartphone up and appeared to film the home team's sideline the entire game.
Sources confirmed to ESPN that Stalions purchased tickets on both sides of the stadium -- across from each bench -- for Ohio State's game with Penn State on Saturday. Michigan plays both teams in upcoming weeks. According to sources, the tickets purchased by Stalions were not used Saturday. Stalions' name emerged publicly in an ESPN story Friday. He was suspended with pay by Michigan.
None of the tickets that the 11 schools told ESPN about involved Michigan as an opponent, per sources. The games involved either one or both of the teams that the Wolverines were playing later that season, according to sources.
Sources indicated that Stalions forwarded tickets to at least three other individuals, with the ticket transfer showing up through ticket data tracking. Those tickets were used by individuals other than Stalions to get into the game, including the one in the video the NCAA is expected to receive. Stalions often purchased the tickets with his own credit card, according to sources. The sources added that tickets at multiple venues were bought via the online retailers such as StubHub or SeatGeek.
One source told ESPN that Stalions bought tickets to five different games at that school over the past three years. Another said it was four games over the past two years. A third source said it was nine games over the past three years. Some of the purchases were single tickets, others were for multiple people, and sometimes seats were bought on both sides of the stadium near midfield.
One source said Stalions bought some tickets across from the home sideline in order to scout the home team, which Michigan played that season. But the source added there have also been tickets purchased on the other side of the stadium facing the sideline of the opponent, including one purchase across from the visiting sideline in the weeks before Michigan played Ohio State.
In the back half of last season, for example, tickets were bought by Stalions on both sidelines for one league game in which Michigan had both opponents remaining on the schedule. The alleged evidence of the signals being captured on film means the Wolverines could now face more scrutiny for violating an additional NCAA rule.
The first NCAA rule in question is scouting in opposing stadiums, which has been in place since 1994. The second potential rule being broken, evidence of which had not been reported prior, could mean that Michigan violated Article 11 subsection H of the NCAA football rulebook: "Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited."
Connor Stalions, the suspended Michigan staffer at the center of the NCAA's sign-stealing probe, purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games over the past three years at 11 different Big Ten schools, sources at 11 different league schools told ESPN.
The scope of the University of Michigan's alleged sign-stealing operation includes both video evidence of electronics prohibited by the NCAA to steal signs and a significant paper trail, sources told ESPN. Stalions forwarded the tickets he bought to at least three different people in different areas of the country, sources say, which hints at the breadth of the operation.
The NCAA is expected to receive video evidence this week of illegal technology used in scouting tied to tickets purchased by Stalions, according to sources. An opposing Big Ten school looked up in-stadium surveillance video from a game earlier this year, and sources said the person in the seat of the ticket purchased by Stalions held his smartphone up and appeared to film the home team's sideline the entire game.
Sources confirmed to ESPN that Stalions purchased tickets on both sides of the stadium -- across from each bench -- for Ohio State's game with Penn State on Saturday. Michigan plays both teams in upcoming weeks. According to sources, the tickets purchased by Stalions were not used Saturday. Stalions' name emerged publicly in an ESPN story Friday. He was suspended with pay by Michigan.
None of the tickets that the 11 schools told ESPN about involved Michigan as an opponent, per sources. The games involved either one or both of the teams that the Wolverines were playing later that season, according to sources.
Sources indicated that Stalions forwarded tickets to at least three other individuals, with the ticket transfer showing up through ticket data tracking. Those tickets were used by individuals other than Stalions to get into the game, including the one in the video the NCAA is expected to receive. Stalions often purchased the tickets with his own credit card, according to sources. The sources added that tickets at multiple venues were bought via the online retailers such as StubHub or SeatGeek.
One source told ESPN that Stalions bought tickets to five different games at that school over the past three years. Another said it was four games over the past two years. A third source said it was nine games over the past three years. Some of the purchases were single tickets, others were for multiple people, and sometimes seats were bought on both sides of the stadium near midfield.
One source said Stalions bought some tickets across from the home sideline in order to scout the home team, which Michigan played that season. But the source added there have also been tickets purchased on the other side of the stadium facing the sideline of the opponent, including one purchase across from the visiting sideline in the weeks before Michigan played Ohio State.
In the back half of last season, for example, tickets were bought by Stalions on both sidelines for one league game in which Michigan had both opponents remaining on the schedule. The alleged evidence of the signals being captured on film means the Wolverines could now face more scrutiny for violating an additional NCAA rule.
The first NCAA rule in question is scouting in opposing stadiums, which has been in place since 1994. The second potential rule being broken, evidence of which had not been reported prior, could mean that Michigan violated Article 11 subsection H of the NCAA football rulebook: "Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited."
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At this point if this is true, Holy Crap ichigan is in a huge mess. Low level staffer or not there's no way Harblow didn't know! Even if he didn't he's still 100% responsible.Bengals1 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:19 pmPer ESPN...
Connor Stalions, the suspended Michigan staffer at the center of the NCAA's sign-stealing probe, purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games over the past three years at 11 different Big Ten schools, sources at 11 different league schools told ESPN.
The scope of the University of Michigan's alleged sign-stealing operation includes both video evidence of electronics prohibited by the NCAA to steal signs and a significant paper trail, sources told ESPN. Stalions forwarded the tickets he bought to at least three different people in different areas of the country, sources say, which hints at the breadth of the operation.
The NCAA is expected to receive video evidence this week of illegal technology used in scouting tied to tickets purchased by Stalions, according to sources. An opposing Big Ten school looked up in-stadium surveillance video from a game earlier this year, and sources said the person in the seat of the ticket purchased by Stalions held his smartphone up and appeared to film the home team's sideline the entire game.
Sources confirmed to ESPN that Stalions purchased tickets on both sides of the stadium -- across from each bench -- for Ohio State's game with Penn State on Saturday. Michigan plays both teams in upcoming weeks. According to sources, the tickets purchased by Stalions were not used Saturday. Stalions' name emerged publicly in an ESPN story Friday. He was suspended with pay by Michigan.
None of the tickets that the 11 schools told ESPN about involved Michigan as an opponent, per sources. The games involved either one or both of the teams that the Wolverines were playing later that season, according to sources.
Sources indicated that Stalions forwarded tickets to at least three other individuals, with the ticket transfer showing up through ticket data tracking. Those tickets were used by individuals other than Stalions to get into the game, including the one in the video the NCAA is expected to receive. Stalions often purchased the tickets with his own credit card, according to sources. The sources added that tickets at multiple venues were bought via the online retailers such as StubHub or SeatGeek.
One source told ESPN that Stalions bought tickets to five different games at that school over the past three years. Another said it was four games over the past two years. A third source said it was nine games over the past three years. Some of the purchases were single tickets, others were for multiple people, and sometimes seats were bought on both sides of the stadium near midfield.
One source said Stalions bought some tickets across from the home sideline in order to scout the home team, which Michigan played that season. But the source added there have also been tickets purchased on the other side of the stadium facing the sideline of the opponent, including one purchase across from the visiting sideline in the weeks before Michigan played Ohio State.
In the back half of last season, for example, tickets were bought by Stalions on both sidelines for one league game in which Michigan had both opponents remaining on the schedule. The alleged evidence of the signals being captured on film means the Wolverines could now face more scrutiny for violating an additional NCAA rule.
The first NCAA rule in question is scouting in opposing stadiums, which has been in place since 1994. The second potential rule being broken, evidence of which had not been reported prior, could mean that Michigan violated Article 11 subsection H of the NCAA football rulebook: "Any attempt to record, either through audio or video means, any signals given by an opposing player, coach or other team personnel is prohibited."
Re: UM under investigation for sign stealing.
For this to work Harblow had to know and so did his OC and DC. Some "low level staffer" tells one of the coordinators what he believes the other team is going to do, do you think they'd just believe him...?MeatHeadbengal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:24 amAt this point if this is true, Holy Crap ichigan is in a huge mess. Low level staffer or not there's no way Harblow didn't know! Even if he didn't he's still 100% responsible.
No, they had to know he'd gone out ahead of time and scouted their opponent and stolen their hand signals. Once they realized what this guy could do for them, even though its illegal, they send him out to scout/steal upcoming opponents signals. He can clearly be seen standing next to Harblow holding a folder full of paper in several games so far. He also has a headset on in several photos. Who's a "low level staffer" talking to over a headset in the middle of a game?
Several shots have already surfaced of assistant coaches standing on their sideline holding laminated sheets of what looks suspiciously like a hand signal chart. This can clearly be seen in photos of last years OSU/UM game.
They had no idea they'd face TCU in the play-offs thus, this guy had no way to pre-scout/steal any of their signals. How'd that game turn out for UM? Yeah, that's right......they got their butts kicked in! Amazing they get their heads handed to them by Ohio State for nearly 20 years then in 2020 they bail out claiming Covid. This guy comes on their staff and miraculously they defeat OSU the very next year. Then do so again the next year. A team with several NFL wide receivers and a first round QB at the helm plus several high round O-linemen. Yet somehow, a mediocre UM team manages to blow them out (Mostly in the second half mind you) two years in a row. Coincidentally the two years right after this guy comes on board and begins buying up tickets to UM's future opponents games.
Riiiiiigggghhhhtttt......
And Harblow and his coordinators just happen to take his word on how to call their games now. Sure.
Re: UM under investigation for sign stealing.
In this clip you can see the entire team was in on it. Once Stalions read the OSU hand signal the entire team followed him in signaling the play to the scUM D.
https://twitter.com/AdamKing10TV/status ... _&ref_url=
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Holy crap, if that doesn't say it all I don't know what does.4256 Hits wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:01 pmIn this clip you can see the entire team was in on it. Once Stalions read the OSU hand signal the entire team followed him in signaling the play to the scUM D.
https://twitter.com/AdamKing10TV/status ... _&ref_url=
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Little note: Was told by an airtight source tonight, at least one major sportsbook has been advised to take Michigan lines off the board for the time being.
For those who still dont get it: This isn't a "NCAA rules are dumb" issue.
Its an "integrity of the entire sport" issue.
To be clear, no idea if it will happen. Variables that are way above my pay grade go into those decisions.
But if you think this is *just* an NCAA issue, you're sadly mistaken.
Little note: Was told by an airtight source tonight, at least one major sportsbook has been advised to take Michigan lines off the board for the time being.
For those who still dont get it: This isn't a "NCAA rules are dumb" issue.
Its an "integrity of the entire sport" issue.
To be clear, no idea if it will happen. Variables that are way above my pay grade go into those decisions.
But if you think this is *just* an NCAA issue, you're sadly mistaken.
Re: UM under investigation for sign stealing.
Michigan’s Connor Stalions Texted That He ‘Stole Opponent Signals’ From TV—and Had a Vision for the Wolverines
https://www.si.com/college/2023/10/25/m ... en-signals
https://www.si.com/college/2023/10/25/m ... en-signals